1 00:00:01,359 --> 00:00:03,920 There are a lot of ways I could go at this point. I could become an 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:05,380 producer. I could become an agent. 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,940 I thought you were happy being a studio executive, Arnie. 4 00:00:08,260 --> 00:00:12,340 Gwen, in show business, a sense of complacency is a very dangerous thing. 5 00:00:12,940 --> 00:00:14,140 I'm thinking of opening a restaurant. 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,540 A restaurant? Yeah. These guys that started the California Pizza Kitchen 7 00:00:17,540 --> 00:00:18,419 both lawyers. 8 00:00:18,420 --> 00:00:19,420 What kind of restaurant? 9 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,320 I don't know yet. What about fast food Jewish? Fast food Jewish? 10 00:00:22,580 --> 00:00:25,260 Yeah, absolutely. I think it would be great to be able to walk up to a counter 11 00:00:25,260 --> 00:00:28,700 and get a little paper cone filled with Kashiwarnishkas. Well, I know that's 12 00:00:28,700 --> 00:00:31,320 something I've always wanted to do. Well, shall we get started? 13 00:00:32,140 --> 00:00:36,260 Falcone versus Falcone. Yeah, another divorce. I'm meeting with a woman for 14 00:00:36,260 --> 00:00:40,280 first time today. I'll try to dispose of it as painlessly as possible. I'm 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:41,720 really not up for a fight. 16 00:00:42,220 --> 00:00:43,220 People versus Quinn. 17 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:44,540 That's my murder case. 18 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,600 The jury's picked. We go to trial later today. 19 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,740 Are you still holding with a plea of temporary insanity? 20 00:00:49,140 --> 00:00:50,740 I don't believe in it, but it's all I got. 21 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,560 Samuels versus San Fernando Psychiatric. 22 00:00:53,820 --> 00:00:58,860 Uh, all I know is this is a negligence action, and Samuels knows some people in 23 00:00:58,860 --> 00:00:59,860 the Clinton administration. 24 00:00:59,940 --> 00:01:01,840 Would that we knew some people in the Clinton administration. 25 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,480 Mickey Cantor and Warren Christopher both came out of L .A. law firms. 26 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,080 tapping all kinds of people from here to do all kinds of things. What do we get? 27 00:01:10,460 --> 00:01:11,980 Nothing. Are you done, Douglas? 28 00:01:12,260 --> 00:01:14,960 Yeah. Good. I have something I want to say. 29 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,720 I've sat by and watched as this place has changed. 30 00:01:17,980 --> 00:01:21,780 People have dissipated their time and wasted their talent. You have all, in 31 00:01:21,780 --> 00:01:25,900 varying degrees, pursued other enterprises and neglected the one that 32 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:27,300 was built on. The law. 33 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:33,280 This, ladies and gentlemen, is a law office. And while you're present here, 34 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,600 will practice law. 35 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:36,940 Period. Leland. I'm not done. 36 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,840 What you do on your own time is your own business. 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:41,920 But the work week belongs to me. 38 00:01:42,220 --> 00:01:45,460 So you're all going to have to do a little soul -searching. 39 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,620 I want to see all partners in my office at 5 o 'clock today. I will expect 40 00:01:49,620 --> 00:01:52,060 either a commitment or a resignation. 41 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:35,600 Arnold Becker. 42 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:36,800 That's me. 43 00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:38,100 I'm Yvette Falcone. 44 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:39,320 Hi. 45 00:03:39,460 --> 00:03:41,960 What can I do for you? Please, have a seat. 46 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:47,480 I want a divorce. 47 00:03:47,820 --> 00:03:49,400 Most people who come to see me do. 48 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,660 I've been married six years. There are no children. 49 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,880 My husband was bringing in about a million a year. He's a prize fighter. 50 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,700 Your husband is Bobby Falcone? 51 00:03:58,940 --> 00:04:00,920 Right. I've seen him fight. 52 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,300 Not recently, you haven't. 53 00:04:02,750 --> 00:04:05,270 He hasn't had a fight in more than a year. What's the problem? 54 00:04:05,570 --> 00:04:06,570 I'm the problem. 55 00:04:06,870 --> 00:04:10,770 He knows that half of what he earns while he's married to me is mine. 56 00:04:11,310 --> 00:04:13,230 Since he doesn't want to pay me, he stopped fighting. 57 00:04:13,630 --> 00:04:15,090 Let me get in touch with his attorney. 58 00:04:15,910 --> 00:04:19,750 I did everything a fighter's wife is supposed to do. 59 00:04:20,149 --> 00:04:23,750 I took care of him when he needed taking care of. I left him alone when he 60 00:04:23,750 --> 00:04:24,709 needed that. 61 00:04:24,710 --> 00:04:28,850 When he'd fight, I'd sit at ringside wearing a low -cut top, short skirt. 62 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,860 But it was important for him that the whole world saw what he had. 63 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,780 Now, because I go out on him one time, he wants to send me on my way with $50 64 00:04:37,780 --> 00:04:39,180 ,000 and a pat on the ass? 65 00:04:39,580 --> 00:04:40,580 No way. 66 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,200 I want you to fight for me, Mr. Becker. 67 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,060 And I want you to fight for me hard. 68 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:51,640 Call me Arnie. 69 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:53,880 Let me make some introductions. 70 00:04:54,180 --> 00:04:56,960 Gerard Samuels, Leland McKenzie, our senior partner. 71 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,960 Samuel. Thomas Brackman. Nice to meet you. 72 00:04:59,390 --> 00:05:00,390 Please sit. 73 00:05:00,890 --> 00:05:02,050 How's everything in Washington? 74 00:05:02,470 --> 00:05:04,950 Well, at this point, everyone's still getting used to everyone else. 75 00:05:05,190 --> 00:05:08,090 Are you spending most of your time there? I go back and forth. 76 00:05:08,670 --> 00:05:12,650 One aspect of political life is remaining in a state of continual 77 00:05:13,150 --> 00:05:15,750 In other words, when your president needs you, there are no excuses. 78 00:05:16,210 --> 00:05:17,530 Right. God, I love that. 79 00:05:18,390 --> 00:05:21,470 What's your background, Mr. Samuels? How did you come to be a part of the 80 00:05:21,470 --> 00:05:22,470 Clinton inner circle? 81 00:05:22,650 --> 00:05:24,330 Well, I was pretty much of an academic. 82 00:05:24,590 --> 00:05:28,610 I got my doctorate in labor relations and organizational development at MIT. 83 00:05:29,370 --> 00:05:32,710 I got to know Bob Reich pretty much through attending conferences. 84 00:05:33,310 --> 00:05:36,710 I think I delivered a paper he was particularly interested in at one point. 85 00:05:37,010 --> 00:05:39,890 And we got to be friends. Plus, when I moved out here, I got to know Mickey 86 00:05:39,890 --> 00:05:41,090 Cantor. Through Bob Reich? 87 00:05:41,310 --> 00:05:45,270 No, actually, we were introduced by a friend who worked at Manat, which was 88 00:05:45,270 --> 00:05:48,230 Mickey's firm. I'm curious, how come you didn't take this to Manat? 89 00:05:48,530 --> 00:05:51,070 Well, it was our feeling we wanted this to be handled by a firm without 90 00:05:51,070 --> 00:05:52,070 Washington connections. 91 00:05:52,390 --> 00:05:53,950 And tragically, that's us. 92 00:05:54,590 --> 00:05:56,250 How can we help you, Mr. Samuels? 93 00:05:57,350 --> 00:05:58,490 For a number of years now. 94 00:05:59,020 --> 00:06:02,640 Mental hospitals have been releasing patients into the community without 95 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,020 any real adequate provision for follow -up care. 96 00:06:05,580 --> 00:06:08,920 As a result, two things are happening. People who are in need of treatment 97 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,880 haven't been getting it. And our cities have been inundated with disoriented, 98 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,640 sometimes dangerous individuals who constitute a threat to themselves as 99 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,700 those around them. I want to bring a test case by suing San Fernando 100 00:06:22,700 --> 00:06:27,140 Psychiatric. Now, generally, you need a relationship or a nexus to the event 101 00:06:27,140 --> 00:06:28,140 you're suing over. 102 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,320 I'm a concerned citizen. 103 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,260 We believe that's nexus enough. 104 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,800 And when you say we, who are you referring to? 105 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,280 I'm referring to various individuals at the highest levels of the Clinton 106 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:38,280 administration. 107 00:06:40,260 --> 00:06:42,000 I think you've got a great case. 108 00:06:44,380 --> 00:06:48,200 Will you please describe the events that took place on the morning of March 3rd, 109 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:53,640 1992? I was in the yard, hanging the wash on the line, and all of a sudden I 110 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,320 heard a gunshot, then I heard another, and another. 111 00:06:57,930 --> 00:06:58,930 What did you do? 112 00:06:59,430 --> 00:07:01,730 I ran into the house, into my son's room. 113 00:07:01,950 --> 00:07:06,310 And what did you find there? I found my son lying in his bed in a pool of blood. 114 00:07:06,910 --> 00:07:09,630 And I found him standing there with a gun in his hand. 115 00:07:09,930 --> 00:07:13,210 Let the record indicate that the witnesses identified the defendant, 116 00:07:13,210 --> 00:07:17,070 Quinn. What, if anything, did Mr. Quinn say to you at that time? 117 00:07:17,370 --> 00:07:20,330 He said, let me pass, and walked out. 118 00:07:20,770 --> 00:07:23,890 He was as calm and collected as though nothing had happened. 119 00:07:24,380 --> 00:07:26,900 You never thought he just murdered somebody in his sleep. 120 00:07:27,340 --> 00:07:31,400 Objection? Sustained. The last part of the witness's response is stricken. The 121 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:32,400 rest of it can stand. 122 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:33,760 I have nothing further. 123 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,220 I know this is painful for you, Ms. Hackett, so I'm going to be as brief as 124 00:07:39,220 --> 00:07:42,360 possible. Was your son living at your home at the time he died? 125 00:07:42,660 --> 00:07:45,660 Yes. He had recently been living elsewhere, had he not? 126 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,340 Yes, he was in prison. 127 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,980 And what was it that he was in prison for, ma 'am? 128 00:07:50,620 --> 00:07:51,740 He was in prison for rape. 129 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,960 Who was his victim, Miss Hackett? 130 00:07:54,860 --> 00:07:58,360 It was his daughter. And I don't make any excuses for that. 131 00:07:58,620 --> 00:08:00,900 You also don't stop loving him, do you? 132 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,720 No. You don't stop wanting to protect him. 133 00:08:06,620 --> 00:08:07,760 He was my son. 134 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:09,200 I understand that. 135 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:14,460 Is it possible for you to understand the way Thomas Quinn felt about his child? 136 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,640 You don't have to answer that. 137 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:21,320 I have nothing further. 138 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:33,919 I've never had real access to power before, Stuart. It's an incredible 139 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:34,919 sensation. 140 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,080 I'd be wary of that if I were you. 141 00:08:37,380 --> 00:08:39,840 Why? Because it's seduction. 142 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:41,340 And I'm wary of that. 143 00:08:42,700 --> 00:08:47,120 When we are invited to the White House, then tell me how wary you are of being 144 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,860 seduced. I mean, come on. We're only human. This is heady stuff. 145 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,560 I am representing a friend of Bill's. 146 00:08:55,460 --> 00:08:57,700 It's five o 'clock. We should go see Leland. 147 00:09:08,729 --> 00:09:09,609 I'm in. 148 00:09:09,610 --> 00:09:12,670 Whatever you need from me, Leland, you got it. That goes for me, too. 149 00:09:13,130 --> 00:09:14,310 That goes for both of us. 150 00:09:17,110 --> 00:09:18,150 What about you, Arnold? 151 00:09:18,890 --> 00:09:19,890 What about me? 152 00:09:22,230 --> 00:09:25,190 My first reaction when you made your ultimatum was to say the hell with you. 153 00:09:25,830 --> 00:09:27,170 I have a job at a studio. 154 00:09:27,450 --> 00:09:29,750 I have a whole other career going. Why should I give that up? 155 00:09:29,970 --> 00:09:32,330 Then I thought to myself, what is it that I do at the studio? 156 00:09:32,970 --> 00:09:33,990 I get handed scripts. 157 00:09:34,910 --> 00:09:35,910 I read them. 158 00:09:36,090 --> 00:09:37,090 I end up... 159 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,900 Sitting there, pretending to have an opinion, and... I don't know what the 160 00:09:41,900 --> 00:09:42,900 I'm talking about. 161 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,220 Chances are, neither do most of the people you work with. 162 00:09:45,580 --> 00:09:49,000 Well, that may be, but... But I don't like feeling that way. I don't like 163 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000 pretending. 164 00:09:51,020 --> 00:09:54,520 I know what I'm talking about when I'm in here. When I'm being a lawyer, I know 165 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,800 exactly what I'm doing, and that says something to me. 166 00:09:58,800 --> 00:09:59,800 You've got me, Leland. 167 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,980 100%. Good. 168 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:06,360 It's difficult for me to imagine this place without the four of you. 169 00:10:06,890 --> 00:10:08,330 I'm grateful I don't have to. 170 00:10:08,970 --> 00:10:10,110 We're grateful too. 171 00:10:16,230 --> 00:10:20,930 I believe that at the time of the shooting, Mr. Quinn was not in control 172 00:10:20,930 --> 00:10:26,290 faculties. He was incapable of understanding the nature of his act and 173 00:10:26,290 --> 00:10:28,070 distinguish between right and wrong. 174 00:10:28,290 --> 00:10:32,910 You say this despite the fact that the defendant was, in all other respects, 175 00:10:33,310 --> 00:10:34,310 highly functional. 176 00:10:34,650 --> 00:10:38,450 Yes. What was it, Doctor, that in your expert opinion accounted for the 177 00:10:38,450 --> 00:10:39,950 defendant going temporarily insane? 178 00:10:40,390 --> 00:10:45,890 Well, Mr. Quinn's relationship with his daughter is such that her rape became an 179 00:10:45,890 --> 00:10:49,630 event of overwhelming significance. When he finally confronted the man 180 00:10:49,630 --> 00:10:55,550 responsible, he lost all capacity to control himself or to comprehend the 181 00:10:55,550 --> 00:10:57,810 dimensions of his act. Thank you, Doctor. 182 00:10:58,210 --> 00:10:59,210 Nothing further. 183 00:11:01,330 --> 00:11:03,030 Let me understand something, Doctor. 184 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,600 Thomas Quinn took a .38 caliber revolver. He loaded it with six bullets. 185 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,120 it in his pocket, got in his car, and drove to the home of Kevin Hackett. 186 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:18,080 Up to this point, he hadn't seen the man who raped his daughter, had he? No, but 187 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,080 the effect of having Mr. Hackett released from prison and living nearby 188 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:22,959 certainly felt. 189 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,680 A simple yes or no was all that I asked for. Was Mr. Quinn insane when he loaded 190 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:28,680 his gun? 191 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:32,740 No. Was he insane when he pried open a window to gain entrance to the Hackett 192 00:11:32,740 --> 00:11:37,290 house? No. Was he insane following the moment when he pulled the trigger? No, 193 00:11:37,290 --> 00:11:38,610 was a transitory state. 194 00:11:38,830 --> 00:11:42,130 In other words, it lasted just long enough to provide him with a defense. 195 00:11:42,670 --> 00:11:43,690 Objection. Withdrawn. 196 00:11:43,910 --> 00:11:44,910 I have nothing further. 197 00:11:50,110 --> 00:11:51,110 I'm sorry I'm late. 198 00:11:51,510 --> 00:11:53,790 I'm on a conference call for nearly an hour. Thank you. 199 00:11:54,090 --> 00:11:57,670 With my office in Washington and our Secretary of Health and Human Services. 200 00:11:58,730 --> 00:11:59,730 Donna Shalala? 201 00:12:00,030 --> 00:12:01,030 Yeah, you know her? 202 00:12:01,340 --> 00:12:03,480 No, but I get the feeling she's very bright. 203 00:12:03,940 --> 00:12:04,940 Incredibly bright. 204 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:06,900 You know what we were talking about, don't you? 205 00:12:07,180 --> 00:12:08,180 No. 206 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:09,320 This lawsuit. 207 00:12:10,780 --> 00:12:13,620 There are a lot of people in Washington who are very interested in what we're 208 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:14,279 doing here. 209 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,080 Well, we have a preliminary conference at 2 o 'clock this afternoon. 210 00:12:17,540 --> 00:12:20,720 The hospital was caught rather off guard, I must say. Great. 211 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,500 That's just where we want them. 212 00:12:23,660 --> 00:12:26,520 One of the things I've done is to start lining up patient histories. 213 00:12:27,150 --> 00:12:30,070 I've got a private investigator searching out mental patients who've 214 00:12:30,070 --> 00:12:33,930 released from the hospital so that we can begin taking affidavits and building 215 00:12:33,930 --> 00:12:34,930 base of plaintiffs. 216 00:12:35,270 --> 00:12:38,390 Great. Well, Donna's going to be of considerable assistance in helping us 217 00:12:38,390 --> 00:12:42,670 people, as well as put together some kind of statistical analysis. 218 00:12:43,250 --> 00:12:44,570 Anecdotal information is fine. 219 00:12:44,950 --> 00:12:49,330 To get people's attention in Washington, you've got to come in strong with the 220 00:12:49,330 --> 00:12:50,330 numbers. 221 00:12:50,810 --> 00:12:52,490 Well, we can use all the help we can get. 222 00:12:54,660 --> 00:12:58,560 This is a rather large undertaking for a firm your size, isn't it? 223 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,280 Yes, it is, but we can handle it. 224 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:04,820 We have a very energetic and very devoted staff of attorneys here, and I 225 00:13:04,820 --> 00:13:08,060 you to know that this case has become an extremely high -priority item. 226 00:13:09,060 --> 00:13:11,080 Did I ever tell you whose idea this lawsuit was? 227 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:12,380 I assumed it was yours. 228 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:13,760 It was Hillary's. 229 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,160 Really? It was the night after the election. I was down a little rock. 230 00:13:18,740 --> 00:13:21,280 A bunch of us were sitting around this big kitchen table. 231 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,100 James Carvell had just made this incredible meal. 232 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,180 We finish eating it, and James starts doing these impersonations. And 233 00:13:28,300 --> 00:13:33,220 I can't remember who it was, says, Oh, you know, James, with a little work, you 234 00:13:33,220 --> 00:13:35,640 know, you could be one of those street people on the Upper West Side of 235 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,640 Manhattan. Now, that got us talking about that whole issue. 236 00:13:39,220 --> 00:13:43,940 And Hillary, from out of nowhere, looks up from this Ben and Jerry's container 237 00:13:43,940 --> 00:13:45,720 and says, Let's sue him. 238 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:47,720 Stephanopoulos goes, Sue who? 239 00:13:48,140 --> 00:13:51,220 She says, Let's sue the hospitals that discharged him. 240 00:13:51,660 --> 00:13:53,560 And this is what you have to understand about Hillary. 241 00:13:53,950 --> 00:13:57,990 She had the whole thing figured out. She knew exactly where she wanted to go 242 00:13:57,990 --> 00:13:58,589 with that. 243 00:13:58,590 --> 00:14:02,450 She is... She's a remarkable woman. She really is. 244 00:14:02,690 --> 00:14:06,990 She also seems utterly human to me. I almost have the feeling that I know her. 245 00:14:07,390 --> 00:14:09,870 Yeah, well, you should know her. And she, she should know you. 246 00:14:10,130 --> 00:14:13,030 Yeah, well... She's going to be in Los Angeles next month. 247 00:14:13,630 --> 00:14:15,970 I'd like to have a dinner party and see to it that that happens. 248 00:14:16,390 --> 00:14:17,390 You interested? 249 00:14:18,690 --> 00:14:19,690 Sure, I'm interested. 250 00:14:20,950 --> 00:14:21,950 Great. 251 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,280 So we should get back to work. 252 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,440 Right. Right. 253 00:14:28,460 --> 00:14:31,260 Could you state your name for the record, please? 254 00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:33,180 Bobby Falcone. 255 00:14:33,500 --> 00:14:34,500 What's your occupation? 256 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:35,640 I'm a boxer. 257 00:14:35,860 --> 00:14:38,620 What was your income for 1991, sir? I really don't know. 258 00:14:38,860 --> 00:14:40,960 Well, I have here your 1991 tax return. 259 00:14:41,340 --> 00:14:44,720 If you have his tax returns, why do you have to ask him what his income is? 260 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,920 I'm not deposing a tax return, Mr. Bruner. 261 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:48,400 I'm deposing him. 262 00:14:48,740 --> 00:14:52,000 Would you agree that the figure of 1 .35 million is correct? 263 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,520 If that's what it says, that's what it is. I don't mess with Uncle Sam. 264 00:14:55,820 --> 00:14:58,280 Would you please tell us what your income for 1992 was? 265 00:14:58,560 --> 00:14:59,960 I didn't have an income in 1992. 266 00:15:00,540 --> 00:15:01,259 Why was that? 267 00:15:01,260 --> 00:15:02,520 Because I didn't have any fights. 268 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,820 Why was it that you didn't have any fights? Why? 269 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:06,080 I'll tell you why. 270 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,140 It was because my wife betrayed me, all right? 271 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:14,560 She did what no man could do. She destroyed me. That night in Atlantic 272 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,140 I saw her coming out of some other guy's hotel room, it was like I got hit by a 273 00:15:18,140 --> 00:15:19,140 truck. 274 00:15:19,429 --> 00:15:23,570 My confidence was shot. My nerves were shot. I couldn't train. I couldn't fight 275 00:15:23,570 --> 00:15:26,390 I couldn't do nothing in other words. You were suddenly afraid to step in the 276 00:15:26,390 --> 00:15:29,870 ring. That's right You knew did you not that by delaying your fights until after 277 00:15:29,870 --> 00:15:30,870 the divorce? 278 00:15:30,970 --> 00:15:34,170 You'd be preventing the purses from those fights from becoming marital 279 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:37,370 Is that why you think I did it? Yeah, that's why I think you did it. Where do 280 00:15:37,370 --> 00:15:39,970 you think he got it from? You had nothing to do with it, right, Yvette? 281 00:15:39,970 --> 00:15:43,090 put that on me, Bobby. I am putting it on you. You didn't fight those fights 282 00:15:43,090 --> 00:15:46,490 because you didn't want me to have the money. According to my lawyer here, you 283 00:15:46,490 --> 00:15:48,930 owe me what my share would have been. 284 00:15:52,490 --> 00:15:54,350 When do we get to ask us some questions? 285 00:15:54,750 --> 00:15:55,629 Tomorrow morning. 286 00:15:55,630 --> 00:15:56,630 Good. 287 00:15:58,950 --> 00:15:59,950 Are you kidding? 288 00:16:00,380 --> 00:16:01,620 No, Mr. Pike, we're not kidding. 289 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,340 You're suing us for releasing patients 25 years ago? 290 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,240 That's right. Mr. Samuels, what is your legal standing to be suing us at all? 291 00:16:09,500 --> 00:16:10,500 I'm a concerned citizen. 292 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,320 That's it? Mr. Samuels is suing for public nuisance arising out of 293 00:16:15,340 --> 00:16:18,760 We believe that being a member of the community gives him standing. This is an 294 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,080 utterly groundless suit. 295 00:16:20,490 --> 00:16:21,890 We clearly have a difference of opinion. 296 00:16:22,130 --> 00:16:24,730 Yes, we do, and I'll tell you how we're going to settle this difference of 297 00:16:24,730 --> 00:16:27,510 opinion. I'm going to take this case to court and have it dismissed, with 298 00:16:27,510 --> 00:16:28,730 prejudice and with cost. 299 00:16:28,990 --> 00:16:30,270 Don't threaten me, Mr. Pike. 300 00:16:30,490 --> 00:16:34,470 Bring your motion, I'll oppose it, and we'll see how the court rules. And just 301 00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:38,110 so you know who will be filing amicus briefs on our behalf, the Department of 302 00:16:38,110 --> 00:16:41,750 Health and Human Services, the Justice Department, the Children's Defense Fund, 303 00:16:41,930 --> 00:16:46,010 the People for the American Way, and very possibly, Barbara Streisand. 304 00:16:47,450 --> 00:16:48,690 Barbara Streisand? 305 00:16:49,180 --> 00:16:52,460 In case it hasn't dawned on you yet, this is our time. 306 00:16:54,580 --> 00:17:01,160 Ms. Quinn, would you describe for us the events that took place on August 19th, 307 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:02,160 1985? 308 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,099 I'd gone on a camping trip to the Angeles National Forest with a couple of 309 00:17:06,099 --> 00:17:07,099 friends. 310 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,420 They were still sleeping when I woke up, so I decided I would go for a walk. 311 00:17:11,980 --> 00:17:15,520 I followed a trail through the woods till I got to this stream. 312 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:17,260 It was so pretty. 313 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,180 So I just sat down, I took off my shoes, I dangled my feet in the water. 314 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,599 I'd been there a few minutes. 315 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:30,300 When I heard someone coming, I thought it would be one of my friends, but when 316 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:34,480 looked up, I thought it was this man I'd never seen before. 317 00:17:34,860 --> 00:17:37,660 Tell us what happens next, please. 318 00:17:38,020 --> 00:17:39,520 He sat down next to me. 319 00:17:40,540 --> 00:17:44,800 He asked me my name. I told him. He said that he'd been watching me for a while 320 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,920 from behind these trees and that I owed it to him to go for a swim. 321 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:54,720 When I continued to refuse, he started to put his hands on me. 322 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,280 I'm going to have to ask you to get specific here, Ms. Quinn. And I'm going 323 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:58,959 have to object. 324 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,740 This isn't a rape trial. The excruciating details of what happened 325 00:18:02,740 --> 00:18:06,140 years ago are hardly relevant to the issues of this case. Your Honor, the 326 00:18:06,140 --> 00:18:09,040 issue in this case is the state of mind of the defendant at the time of the 327 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:10,860 shooting. Objection overruled. 328 00:18:11,580 --> 00:18:12,920 The witness may answer. 329 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:18,520 He put his hands on my breasts, on my legs, between my legs. 330 00:18:19,470 --> 00:18:22,810 When I screamed, he threw me in the creek and he jumped in after me and he 331 00:18:22,810 --> 00:18:27,850 my head under the water and he just kept pushing my head under the water and 332 00:18:27,850 --> 00:18:32,070 holding it there over and over again. And then he finally dragged me out of 333 00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:34,490 water and he threw me on the ground and he raped me. 334 00:18:35,730 --> 00:18:36,730 What happened next? 335 00:18:37,770 --> 00:18:42,370 When he got finished, he left. 336 00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:44,770 And I started back. 337 00:18:45,770 --> 00:18:48,970 Then I got lost. I couldn't find the road. I couldn't find my friends. 338 00:18:49,870 --> 00:18:55,690 After a while, I couldn't walk anymore, so I just curled up under a tree. 339 00:18:57,390 --> 00:18:59,530 How long were you lost in that forest? 340 00:19:00,610 --> 00:19:01,610 Six days. 341 00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:04,110 That was almost eight years ago. 342 00:19:05,490 --> 00:19:06,490 Yeah. 343 00:19:06,810 --> 00:19:07,810 How are you doing? 344 00:19:08,250 --> 00:19:09,250 I'm okay. 345 00:19:09,770 --> 00:19:11,010 Did you ever go to college? 346 00:19:11,910 --> 00:19:12,910 No. 347 00:19:13,150 --> 00:19:14,150 Do you have a job? 348 00:19:14,940 --> 00:19:17,000 Yeah, I work part -time at a library. 349 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:19,360 Where do you live? 350 00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:21,540 I live with my father. 351 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,800 Have you tried to put what happened to you on that camping trip behind you? 352 00:19:27,340 --> 00:19:28,340 Yeah. 353 00:19:28,580 --> 00:19:29,980 Have you managed to do that? 354 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:33,840 No. 355 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,440 Thank you, Miss Quinn. 356 00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:45,390 The prosecution has no questions for this witness. 357 00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:06,290 Chelsea's a great kid. She really is. 358 00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:09,670 Everybody's so concerned about her with the public scrutiny and the press, but 359 00:20:09,670 --> 00:20:13,370 the truth is, she's gonna be fine. What's your sense of their... policy 360 00:20:13,370 --> 00:20:17,030 the inner city. My sense is they're committed to it. I mean, listen, 361 00:20:17,030 --> 00:20:21,330 Henry Cisneros, as far as I'm concerned, represents a real departure from the 362 00:20:21,330 --> 00:20:24,830 prevailing policy of the Reagan Bush years. Jonathan would be a tremendous 363 00:20:24,830 --> 00:20:25,709 in that regard. 364 00:20:25,710 --> 00:20:27,430 Well, maybe I can put him in touch with some people. 365 00:20:27,670 --> 00:20:30,990 Another area we're looking for input is the judiciary. 366 00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:35,230 Bill wants his appointments to the Supreme Court and the federal bench to 367 00:20:35,230 --> 00:20:39,890 informed. Leland, I would bet you would have a lot to say about that. Yes, I 368 00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:42,070 would. Well, I think you should say it to someone who's listening. 369 00:20:42,580 --> 00:20:46,020 Here's what I would like to do. One weekend, when Bill and Hillary are out 370 00:20:46,020 --> 00:20:50,020 at their house in Summerland, I'll take a groupie up there. Leland, we may have 371 00:20:50,020 --> 00:20:51,360 to set up an office in Washington. 372 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,080 Well, 373 00:20:53,220 --> 00:20:54,220 you know, we may hit that. 374 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,160 You're making a joke, but at some point, that may become necessary. 375 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,760 If it becomes necessary, it's necessary. 376 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:02,940 We're talking about the politics of inclusion, folks. 377 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,840 Just like I'm a friend of Bill's, I'd like to see you all become friends of 378 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:07,880 Bill's. Here you all are. 379 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,179 What's going on? 380 00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:11,320 We're just having a little chat, that's all. Uh -huh. 381 00:21:11,610 --> 00:21:12,630 Is there something you need, Ann? 382 00:21:12,910 --> 00:21:14,110 Is there something I need? 383 00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:18,210 Yeah. Gwen, I need your help on Mr. Samuel's case. 384 00:21:18,850 --> 00:21:21,410 Arnie, you've got people in the conference room waiting for you. 385 00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:24,270 Leland, I'd like to talk to you out here for a moment, if I might. 386 00:21:32,270 --> 00:21:33,430 Suddenly I'm not in the meetings? 387 00:21:33,710 --> 00:21:35,870 Ann, it was an informal get -together. 388 00:21:36,150 --> 00:21:37,150 Was it informal? 389 00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:39,430 Nothing of a business nature was discussed. Ann. 390 00:21:39,850 --> 00:21:42,650 You're not being excluded, if that's what you're worried about. That is what 391 00:21:42,650 --> 00:21:46,170 worried about, Douglas. And if I'm not in the room, I am, per force, excluded. 392 00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:47,590 Now, let's get one thing straight. 393 00:21:47,790 --> 00:21:51,950 I am doing all the spade work for this guy. I am carrying 100 % of the 394 00:21:52,130 --> 00:21:55,490 And if anything happens pertaining to him or his connections, I want to know 395 00:21:55,490 --> 00:21:56,610 about it. Are we in accord on that? 396 00:21:56,810 --> 00:21:58,450 Yes. Yes, we are. Good. 397 00:22:01,110 --> 00:22:02,270 Gerard, we've got work to do. 398 00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:14,620 I have a feeling that she and Hillary are going to get along just fine. 399 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:16,480 Is it true, Ms. 400 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,600 Falcone, that you have the following collection of furs? 401 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,880 A full -length lynx, a red fox bombardier's jacket, a leather cape 402 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,340 sable, and a stole constructed of white mink teddy bears. 403 00:22:30,980 --> 00:22:33,980 Okay. I assume your husband paid for all of those. Who will? 404 00:22:34,380 --> 00:22:37,280 What's the point here, Mr. Brunner? Nobody's contesting who earns the money. 405 00:22:37,540 --> 00:22:40,780 Well, this isn't about who earns it. This is about who spends it. Like he 406 00:22:40,780 --> 00:22:42,780 want to see me at ringside wearing those furs? 407 00:22:42,980 --> 00:22:45,220 Well, let's talk about ringside for a moment, Miss Falcone. 408 00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:49,240 You were at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas the night your husband fought Vinnie 409 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,360 Pazienza, were you not? 410 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,120 I was in all my husband's fights. 411 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,880 Well, right now I'd like to talk about that one in particular. 412 00:22:55,620 --> 00:22:58,640 Do you remember who it was you were talking to at ringside that night? 413 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,800 No, I don't. Does the name Jack Nicholson ring a bell? 414 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,360 So I was talking to Jack. 415 00:23:03,710 --> 00:23:04,329 So what? 416 00:23:04,330 --> 00:23:07,030 Isn't it a fact, ma 'am, that your husband made it a practice of trying to 417 00:23:07,030 --> 00:23:08,630 eye contact with you between rounds? 418 00:23:09,010 --> 00:23:11,770 Yeah. Well, isn't it also a fact that during that fight in Vegas, every time 419 00:23:11,770 --> 00:23:15,590 looked up, you were fawning over Mr. Nicholson? I was not fawning over him. I 420 00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:18,990 was talking to him. All right, Ms. Falcone, enough about Jack Nicholson. 421 00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:22,470 What was it you were doing that night in Atlantic City? We're here to discuss 422 00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:25,910 finances. Trump Plaza, another man's room, another man's bed. 423 00:23:26,150 --> 00:23:28,690 You knew full well the effect it would have on your husband, yet you went ahead 424 00:23:28,690 --> 00:23:29,449 and did it anyway. 425 00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:34,190 Bobby. Did you ever ask yourself why I did it? I don't care why you did it. I 426 00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:37,150 care. I care that I felt neglected. 427 00:23:37,390 --> 00:23:42,030 I care that you took me for granted. I care that all anybody ever worried about 428 00:23:42,030 --> 00:23:45,050 was whether or not you were happy. Is Bobby all right? 429 00:23:45,290 --> 00:23:46,350 How's Bobby feeling? 430 00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:50,250 What does Bobby need? What about me, huh? What does Yvette need? That's it. 431 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:52,860 He's done asking me questions. 432 00:23:53,060 --> 00:23:54,700 You're done asking her questions. 433 00:23:54,900 --> 00:23:58,680 I spent enough money on this broad to last three lifetimes. You want anything 434 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,380 else out of me, you come to court. 435 00:24:00,740 --> 00:24:02,060 Come on, let's get out of here. 436 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,300 That wasn't easy for me. 437 00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:16,740 Bobby only surrounds himself with people who tell him he's right all the time. 438 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,520 Nobody stands up to him. 439 00:24:18,780 --> 00:24:20,660 We need to talk about what we're going to do next. 440 00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:23,300 You do. 441 00:24:24,180 --> 00:24:25,180 What's that? 442 00:24:25,660 --> 00:24:26,660 Stand up to him. 443 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,980 You're not the least bit afraid. 444 00:24:30,460 --> 00:24:32,260 This is what I do for a living, Yvette. 445 00:24:33,340 --> 00:24:37,540 Well, I can't tell you how grateful I am to have you on my side. 446 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,220 Are you free for lunch by any chance? 447 00:24:44,020 --> 00:24:46,960 I guess you could just say I'm an old -fashioned girl, Arnie. 448 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,260 I love watching men fight. 449 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,040 Is that why you married a boxer? 450 00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:52,520 That's one reason, yeah. 451 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,880 Truth is, there's all kinds of fighting. 452 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,360 In some ways, I feel as though I've grown out of the kind my husband does. 453 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:03,440 now, you're still angry. 454 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,280 That's okay. 455 00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:07,460 I'm not saying you don't have a right to be angry. 456 00:25:07,860 --> 00:25:08,860 I know you're not. 457 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,780 It's just a matter of getting past that. 458 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,760 See, Arnie, I know you have my best interests at heart. 459 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:22,880 I also know that for many women, The advice you're giving me is exactly what 460 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:23,880 they'd need to hear. 461 00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:25,120 I'm not like them. 462 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:27,360 I don't need a shrink. 463 00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:29,380 I don't need a father figure. 464 00:25:30,340 --> 00:25:32,460 I don't need someone to hold my hand. 465 00:25:32,820 --> 00:25:33,860 What do you need? 466 00:25:34,220 --> 00:25:36,240 Someone who doesn't flinch. 467 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:44,180 Someone who won't act reasonable with my husband, who won't back up, who will 468 00:25:44,180 --> 00:25:46,660 take it to him and take him out. 469 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,980 You really think that's what's called for here? 470 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,320 Oh, yeah. 471 00:25:51,660 --> 00:25:54,680 Not only that, I think that's who you really are. 472 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:01,880 I think underneath that reasonable, sensitive exterior, there's a killer 473 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,760 and a stud trying to break free. 474 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,060 There may be something to that. 475 00:26:09,460 --> 00:26:15,700 Do you have a hard and fast policy 476 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:18,580 against getting sexually involved with clients? 477 00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:20,260 It's hard. 478 00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:27,190 I'm kidding. 479 00:26:27,270 --> 00:26:28,270 Really? 480 00:26:29,090 --> 00:26:30,570 I was hoping you were serious. 481 00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:39,050 Mr. Quinn, I'd like you to tell us why, on the 3rd of March, 1992, you decided 482 00:26:39,050 --> 00:26:40,510 to go and see Kevin Hackett. 483 00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:42,990 I wanted him to know what he had done to my daughter. 484 00:26:43,410 --> 00:26:45,110 I wanted him to hear it from me. 485 00:26:45,390 --> 00:26:48,370 Why the gun, Mr. Quinn? I wanted to frighten him. 486 00:26:48,910 --> 00:26:53,510 I wanted him to experience a small fraction of the terror that he had put 487 00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:54,510 daughter through. 488 00:26:54,670 --> 00:26:56,530 And I couldn't do that with words alone. 489 00:26:56,950 --> 00:27:00,930 Would you describe for the court what happened when you got to the Hackett 490 00:27:00,930 --> 00:27:03,490 house? The first thing I did was to knock on the door. 491 00:27:04,050 --> 00:27:09,210 His car was out front, so I knew he was there. When no one answered, I went in 492 00:27:09,210 --> 00:27:10,029 through a window. 493 00:27:10,030 --> 00:27:12,730 What did you do when you found him? I woke him up. 494 00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:14,710 Tell me what you said, Mr. Quinn. 495 00:27:15,970 --> 00:27:20,670 I said, my name is Thomas Quinn, and I'm here to talk to you about my daughter. 496 00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:21,950 And how did he respond? 497 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,040 He sat up in bed and lit a cigarette, asked me what she looked like these 498 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,720 I said, what difference does that make? 499 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,480 He proceeded to tell me what a foxy 16 -year -old she had been. 500 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,060 He described to me in great detail what her body looked like when it was soaking 501 00:27:40,060 --> 00:27:41,060 wet. 502 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,860 Described what she had felt like. 503 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,300 Described how he had raped her. 504 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,180 In words I will not repeat. 505 00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:57,540 I let him finish. 506 00:27:59,820 --> 00:28:02,160 Then I took out my gun and I shot him. 507 00:28:03,860 --> 00:28:07,980 Mr. Quinn, what was in your mind at that moment? 508 00:28:08,580 --> 00:28:10,220 I heard my daughter's voice. 509 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,880 I saw the way she had looked when she was a little girl. 510 00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:19,380 The way she had looked when her mother was still alive. 511 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:25,520 And I felt as though I could still protect her from that man. So I did. I 512 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,520 stopped him. 513 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:28,800 I have nothing further. 514 00:28:34,740 --> 00:28:37,840 You don't ordinarily carry a gun, do you, sir? 515 00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:41,100 No. But you carried one this time, didn't you? 516 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,540 I said I wanted to scare him. Right. 517 00:28:44,170 --> 00:28:48,390 And when you knocked on the door and no one answered, you went through a window 518 00:28:48,390 --> 00:28:52,430 and crept through the house until you found Kevin Hackett sleeping in his bed. 519 00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:56,610 That's right. Now, is it your testimony, sir, that you were temporarily insane 520 00:28:56,610 --> 00:28:57,830 during all that? 521 00:28:58,110 --> 00:29:02,950 Yes. You're saying that the sight of this individual, coupled with his 522 00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:05,210 of your daughter's name, pushed you over the edge. 523 00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:06,730 He did more than utter her name. 524 00:29:07,030 --> 00:29:10,650 Let's say that he did. The question I'm asking is whether or not you were, in 525 00:29:10,650 --> 00:29:12,870 fact, insane when you killed him. Objection. 526 00:29:13,090 --> 00:29:17,320 Sustained. Mr. Quinn, at the time you shot and killed Kevin Hackett, did you 527 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,200 understand the act you were performing? 528 00:29:19,540 --> 00:29:22,680 I wasn't really thinking about it. I didn't ask you whether or not you were 529 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,300 thinking about it. I asked you whether or not you understood what you were 530 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:26,440 doing. I don't know. 531 00:29:26,780 --> 00:29:29,880 You had lost touch with reality to that extent, Mr. Quinn? 532 00:29:30,260 --> 00:29:32,540 You didn't know you were carrying a loaded gun? 533 00:29:32,780 --> 00:29:35,680 You didn't know the difference between right and wrong? Objection, Your Honor. 534 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,700 Sustained. One question at a time, Miss Schiff. 535 00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:41,960 Were you able to distinguish between right and wrong at the time of the 536 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:42,960 shooting? 537 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,940 I'll ask you again, sir. 538 00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:49,540 Were you able to distinguish between right and wrong? 539 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,440 Of course I was. 540 00:29:52,220 --> 00:29:55,380 And of course I understood what it was that I did. 541 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:01,040 This beast destroyed my little girl's life. And for that, he served a big 542 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,040 years in prison. 543 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:03,860 I wasn't insane. 544 00:30:05,180 --> 00:30:07,480 I set out to kill him, and that's what I did. 545 00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:10,100 And I killed him because he deserved to die. 546 00:30:15,020 --> 00:30:16,020 Good morning, gentlemen. 547 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,320 Miss Kelsey? 548 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,440 I must say I'm rather surprised that you wanted to reconvene today. 549 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,780 Were you? Well, given the tenor of yesterday's meeting, I was under the 550 00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:25,660 impression that you weren't taking us all that seriously. 551 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,160 Let me assure you, we take you very seriously. Good. What I'm going to want 552 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,800 access to right off the bat are the records of patients who were released 553 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,519 the hospital. 554 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,940 Did you have any particular patient in mind when you initiated this action, Mr. 555 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,720 Samuels? We discussed this yesterday. 556 00:30:40,020 --> 00:30:42,020 I was addressing my question to your client, Miss Kelsey. 557 00:30:42,750 --> 00:30:46,050 Given that I am my client's legal representative, I was assuming that you 558 00:30:46,050 --> 00:30:50,110 addressing your question to both of us. I think it's possible your client is 559 00:30:50,110 --> 00:30:54,610 possessed of certain information he has not yet shared with you. Look, are we 560 00:30:54,610 --> 00:30:58,530 here to discuss moving forward with this, or aren't we? We are. Fine. In 561 00:30:58,530 --> 00:31:01,430 case, we would like to know if you are prepared to begin furnishing us with 562 00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:02,430 records. 563 00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:03,870 Why don't we start with this? 564 00:31:05,710 --> 00:31:06,710 Oh. 565 00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:07,830 Very tricky, guys. 566 00:31:07,910 --> 00:31:10,370 Gerard, let me read it. It's not necessary that you read this. 567 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,120 This is a diversionary tactic. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the issues 568 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,280 at hand. That's the hospital file on Mr. 569 00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:18,780 Samuel's mother, Miss Kelsey. 570 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,900 We believe that's what's motivating this gentleman, and we think it's best to be 571 00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:26,080 honest about it, particularly when it can be argued that it is her family that 572 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,080 is responsible for what happened to her. Oh, really, Mr. Pike? And how do you 573 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,960 figure that? How do you figure that? 574 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,220 How do you figure that a salesman working two jobs with a ten -year -old 575 00:31:36,220 --> 00:31:39,160 could take care of a woman who was compulsively depressed? 576 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,720 Huh? 577 00:31:41,150 --> 00:31:45,370 who was delusional, who wouldn't eat, wouldn't sleep, who would pace back and 578 00:31:45,370 --> 00:31:49,010 forth all night long because she was hearing voices nobody else could hear. 579 00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:50,150 do you figure that? 580 00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:52,570 Gerard, what's going on? 581 00:31:54,250 --> 00:32:00,950 My mother was a patient in the hospital that these gentlemen represent. 582 00:32:01,950 --> 00:32:07,010 She was... began as a mild, obsessive, compulsive... 583 00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:12,960 Disorder case and got gradually worse. She was admitted in April 1966 and then 584 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:18,940 released in June 1969 so that she could return home, but the problem was she 585 00:32:18,940 --> 00:32:25,700 She needed to be cared for She needed to be 586 00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:32,120 protected One day she just 587 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,180 wandered off 588 00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:37,550 And she never came back. 589 00:32:40,150 --> 00:32:42,010 I don't know Mickey Cantor. 590 00:32:42,550 --> 00:32:43,890 Or Bob Reich. 591 00:32:44,350 --> 00:32:45,850 Or Donna Shalala. 592 00:32:47,410 --> 00:32:48,810 Or Hillary Clinton. 593 00:32:52,770 --> 00:32:54,270 I live with my father. 594 00:32:56,590 --> 00:32:58,270 In Canoga Park. 595 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,640 About my mother. 596 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,900 Every, every single day. 597 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:24,440 I don't know what I'm supposed to do now. 598 00:33:24,820 --> 00:33:26,320 What exactly changed? 599 00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:29,820 What changed, I told you. He disavowed everything we've been claiming 600 00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:32,080 the trial. He told the jury to find him guilty. 601 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,960 Which doesn't mean they're going to. 602 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,480 Gwen. If they don't believe he was temporarily insane, they have no basis 603 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,520 which to exonerate him. 604 00:33:39,740 --> 00:33:41,780 The basis is they don't want to send him to jail. 605 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,660 The basis is they like him. You think that's enough? 606 00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:49,140 You're the trial lawyer, but I have to believe that every woman on that jury 607 00:33:49,140 --> 00:33:52,760 wants to have a father like him, and every man on that jury wants to be a 608 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:53,479 like him. 609 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,480 I think that's plenty. 610 00:33:56,820 --> 00:33:57,820 I have to get to court. 611 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:03,680 Vengeance is mine. 612 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,160 Sayeth the Lord. 613 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,739 The only problem is, it wasn't the Lord talking. 614 00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:11,780 It was Tom Quinn. 615 00:34:12,139 --> 00:34:14,639 What happened to Laura Quinn was horrible. 616 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,380 No one can deny that. Kevin Hackett committed a terrible crime. 617 00:34:18,860 --> 00:34:23,260 A crime for which he was tried, convicted, and sentenced to prison. 618 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,080 And he served that sentence. 619 00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:30,040 And as is the case with anyone else, he was released. The length of his sentence 620 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,400 is not at issue here. Nor is the nature of Mr. Hackett's crime. 621 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,920 The only crime we're here to consider is Mr. Quinn's. 622 00:34:38,860 --> 00:34:40,719 He went to see Kevin Hackett. 623 00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:46,480 Carrying a loaded gun, he broke into Mr. Hackett's house, confronted him while 624 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,580 he lay in his bed, and he executed him. 625 00:34:49,860 --> 00:34:52,000 This was not an act of self -defense. 626 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:56,440 By his own admission, he was not temporarily insane at the time. 627 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,380 It was an act of murder, and it must be seen for what it is, and it must be 628 00:35:01,380 --> 00:35:02,380 punished. 629 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,520 I ask that you find Tom Quinn guilty. 630 00:35:12,260 --> 00:35:16,640 By his own admission, he was not temporarily insane. 631 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,780 You heard Tom Quinn say it. You heard the prosecutor repeat it. 632 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,640 The fact is, they're both wrong. 633 00:35:23,710 --> 00:35:27,750 Mr. Quinn is no more in a position to authoritatively testify to his own 634 00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:29,090 than he is to his own insanity. 635 00:35:29,370 --> 00:35:32,750 It's you who are charged with the responsibility of determining that. 636 00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:35,210 And all you can do is speculate. 637 00:35:36,370 --> 00:35:41,150 What was Tom Quinn's state of mind when he faced the man who had raped and 638 00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:42,150 brutalized his daughter? 639 00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:46,510 The man who had single -handedly transformed her from a normally happy 640 00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:49,470 healthy teenager into a frail and frightened woman. 641 00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:52,890 A woman who has lost an irretrievable part of her life. 642 00:35:53,470 --> 00:35:57,970 for no other reason than that a depraved and vicious man wanted to avail himself 643 00:35:57,970 --> 00:35:58,729 of her. 644 00:35:58,730 --> 00:36:03,330 What must it have been like for Tom Quinn to stand face to face with that 645 00:36:03,450 --> 00:36:07,990 to hear him boast of his conquest and further defile the woman he had already 646 00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:10,670 destroyed? Was he insane when he pulled the trigger? 647 00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:15,830 Ask yourself, if it had been your daughter, and you had been face to face 648 00:36:15,830 --> 00:36:19,690 the man who did what this man did, how sane would you have been? 649 00:36:21,340 --> 00:36:26,160 Ask yourself if Tom Quinn really deserves to go to prison for doing what 650 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,740 us in our hearts Would have wanted to do ourselves 651 00:36:29,740 --> 00:36:40,880 Something 652 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,060 about Samuels, huh? Yes, it is. It's potentially a wonderful opportunity for 653 00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:46,360 of us. You mean you haven't heard? 654 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,459 Heard what? 655 00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:50,880 Gerard Samuels doesn't know a soul in Washington. Made the whole thing up. 656 00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:55,320 What? Yeah. Ann said it all came out yesterday. 657 00:36:55,780 --> 00:36:58,360 Either he's delusional or a very good liar. 658 00:36:58,820 --> 00:37:03,120 Either way, he's no friend of Bill's. When you say that he's no friend of 659 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,400 Bill's, do you mean he's not a close friend? He's not any kind of a friend. 660 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,720 doesn't know Bill, and Bill doesn't know him. 661 00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:14,460 When you say that he doesn't know Bill, do you mean he doesn't know Bill, but 662 00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:17,940 that there are others within the Washington establishment that he does 663 00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:21,000 instance, does he know Mickey Cantor? Does he know Warren Christopher? 664 00:37:21,260 --> 00:37:22,640 Douglas, he doesn't know anybody. 665 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,160 I feel like such an idiot. 666 00:37:28,660 --> 00:37:31,200 Well, there's no reason for you to feel that way. You did what anybody would 667 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,080 have done. But I wanted it so badly, you know? I mean, I wouldn't have thought 668 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,300 that being near power would have been so important to me. It was. It was all I 669 00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:40,300 could think about. 670 00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:45,740 Gerard, what are you doing here? 671 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,220 I called him. I asked him to come in. 672 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,500 I'm still a client, right? 673 00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:55,560 Yeah, Gerard, I guess you're still a client. 674 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,440 Except we all know the only reason you took my case is because I said I knew 675 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,238 those people. 676 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,280 Is that why you said it? 677 00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:07,060 I said it so that I wouldn't be who I was. 678 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,360 I do that. 679 00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:10,360 I make things up. 680 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:17,580 I sit in my house and I invent other people for myself to become. 681 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,800 When I was ten years old, when my mom came back to live with us, she would act 682 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,400 so crazy, you know, that what I would do was... 683 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,860 I'd stay in my room, and I'd pretend to be someone else. 684 00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:36,520 Do you know when you're pretending? 685 00:38:37,380 --> 00:38:38,380 No. 686 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:40,640 Not always. 687 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,900 What happens to me now is that I invent someone for myself to be, and then I 688 00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:46,920 become that person. 689 00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:48,700 I'm them. 690 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,920 I'm them when I'm around other people. 691 00:38:53,620 --> 00:38:55,280 I'm them when I'm by myself. 692 00:38:56,420 --> 00:38:58,180 I wish I could stop. 693 00:38:58,749 --> 00:39:02,530 I wish... I wish I could control my mind. 694 00:39:04,890 --> 00:39:05,890 But I can't. 695 00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:09,470 I'm my mother's son. 696 00:39:10,450 --> 00:39:11,450 You know? 697 00:39:12,070 --> 00:39:13,790 Yeah, and I'm sure that's not an easy thing to be. 698 00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:18,470 But what you have to trust in now, Gerard, is that we don't need for you to 699 00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:21,250 anybody other than who you are in order for us to help you. 700 00:39:21,930 --> 00:39:24,790 But I... I don't have a case. 701 00:39:25,110 --> 00:39:26,110 Maybe you don't. 702 00:39:26,570 --> 00:39:29,390 But you came into our office and we took you on as a client. 703 00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:31,030 And that means we owe you something. 704 00:39:31,330 --> 00:39:33,050 Now, maybe you need a lawyer. 705 00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:34,670 Maybe you need a shrink. 706 00:39:35,330 --> 00:39:38,270 Maybe you just need somebody to listen to you when you don't want to pretend 707 00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:39,270 you're somebody else. 708 00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:44,310 But whatever it is... My name's Stuart Markowitz. 709 00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:46,270 This is my office. 710 00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:48,610 I'm here to help you however I can. 711 00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:51,210 Okay? 712 00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:52,450 Okay. 713 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,720 What we do straight off the bat is place notice on the State Athletic 714 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:02,040 Commission. That way we put him on notice that there'll be a claim on his 715 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,200 earnings. Sounds great. 716 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,020 Now, what I want to do at the same time as that is I want to subpoena his 717 00:40:06,020 --> 00:40:09,220 manager, his trainer, his accountant, and every sparring partner he's had over 718 00:40:09,220 --> 00:40:10,220 the past two years. 719 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,840 He says he didn't want to fight because he wasn't ready. 720 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,560 I want to hear what they say. 721 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,460 You're pumped up, aren't you? 722 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:17,720 A little. 723 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,200 I want you pumped up a lot. 724 00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:27,400 I shouldn't have done that, right? 725 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,080 I don't know. 726 00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:32,900 It's just that you have this effect on me, you know? 727 00:40:33,380 --> 00:40:37,320 Seeing you fight for me has this effect on me. 728 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,220 What is this I see? 729 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,080 Don't you knock? 730 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,160 I did knock. You didn't hear it. I guess she was otherwise engaged. 731 00:40:51,580 --> 00:40:53,040 I guess we were. Look. 732 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,380 This is one of those classically embarrassing moments. 733 00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:57,580 Oh, I'm not embarrassed, man. I'm mad. 734 00:40:57,940 --> 00:41:02,880 Uh, you have every right to be mad. I came here because she told me to come. I 735 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,180 came here because she said she wanted to talk. I came here for that, and I gotta 736 00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:07,919 say this! 737 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,360 Look, I'm sorry. Nobody planned for this to happen. 738 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,640 Put up your hands. 739 00:41:12,110 --> 00:41:15,170 I'm not going to put up my hands. Come on, I'll hit you with jabs, just left 740 00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:18,290 -handed jabs. Come on, big shot! Look, Bobby, you hit me with a jab, a 741 00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:21,890 combination, a hook, or anything else, your career is over. I ain't thinking 742 00:41:21,890 --> 00:41:23,550 about my career right now. 743 00:41:23,830 --> 00:41:24,830 Well, maybe you should be. 744 00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:27,910 You're a professional prize fighter, licensed by the State Athletic 745 00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:31,150 Use your hands outside the ring, you're committing a felony. That means you 746 00:41:31,150 --> 00:41:34,850 won't be permitted to fight for a long time. Long enough so there won't be any 747 00:41:34,850 --> 00:41:36,010 more big fights. 748 00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:39,490 There won't be any more big purses. And what purses there are will, in all 749 00:41:39,490 --> 00:41:41,010 likelihood, go to me. 750 00:41:42,090 --> 00:41:44,150 since I will sue you, and I will win. 751 00:41:48,590 --> 00:41:51,870 I ain't gonna do what I did the last time you cheated on me. 752 00:41:53,330 --> 00:41:55,330 I ain't gonna fall apart this time. 753 00:41:55,590 --> 00:42:00,110 This time, I'm taking everything that I'm feeling right now, and I'm going 754 00:42:00,110 --> 00:42:01,110 into the ring. 755 00:42:01,230 --> 00:42:05,330 I'm going back into the ring, and you watch what I do in there. 756 00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:09,170 And when you're finished with this guy, call me. 757 00:42:20,130 --> 00:42:21,170 You were incredible. 758 00:42:21,690 --> 00:42:23,270 Get out of my office. What? 759 00:42:23,970 --> 00:42:25,430 I said get out of my office. 760 00:42:25,810 --> 00:42:27,050 Find yourself another lawyer. 761 00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:28,950 Why? What did I do? 762 00:42:29,950 --> 00:42:30,950 You set me up. 763 00:42:31,610 --> 00:42:33,850 You set him up. Why would I want to do that? 764 00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:35,330 So you could sit back and watch. 765 00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:39,310 I'll send over your file. I'll return your check. 766 00:42:40,590 --> 00:42:44,190 You can either give them both to a lawyer who wants to sleep with you more 767 00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:47,850 desperately than I do, or, since he's willing to be your... 768 00:42:48,340 --> 00:42:50,140 gladiator again, you can go back to your husband. 769 00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:03,160 How you doing? 770 00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:05,860 Okay. 771 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,700 You feel like taking a walk? 772 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,000 No. 773 00:43:10,420 --> 00:43:11,420 I'm all right. 774 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,280 Hi, Daddy. 775 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,180 Laura, what are you doing here? 776 00:43:17,690 --> 00:43:19,070 I wanted to be with you. 777 00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:20,850 You didn't have to come down here. 778 00:43:21,370 --> 00:43:22,630 I wanted to. 779 00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:24,730 I wanted to be with you, Daddy. 780 00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:26,310 The jury's back. 781 00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:30,690 Let's go. 782 00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:40,650 Has the jury reached a verdict? 783 00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:47,100 We have, Your Honor. What say you? We find the defendant, Thomas Quinn, Not 784 00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:48,840 guilty by reason of insanity. 785 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:56,940 By the power entrusted to me by the California Penal Code, Section 1026, I 786 00:43:56,940 --> 00:43:59,240 the defendant to be no longer insane. 787 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,680 Mr. Quinn, you're free to go. 788 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:02,920 We're adjourned. 789 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,440 I can't thank you enough. Don't worry about it, Tom. It was a pleasure. 790 00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:17,840 I'd like to thank you, too. You're welcome, Laura. 791 00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:19,419 Good luck. 792 00:44:19,420 --> 00:44:20,600 Come on, Adam. Let's go. 793 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,900 You weren't the least bit mad at him, were you? 794 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,780 No. Why is that? 795 00:44:35,340 --> 00:44:36,660 Why should I be mad at him? 796 00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:40,020 Because he's got problems? Because he's mentally ill? 797 00:44:40,940 --> 00:44:42,060 You think that's what it is? 798 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,000 Well, I don't think it's because he's evil. 799 00:44:44,769 --> 00:44:45,769 You don't? 800 00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:47,190 No. 801 00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:50,590 I think it's because he had a real rough time growing up. 802 00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:53,030 Now he's trying to get through life the best he can. 803 00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:56,730 Come here. 804 00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:08,650 Watching you with Gerard in your office today reminded me of how much I love 805 00:45:08,650 --> 00:45:09,650 you. 806 00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:18,310 So, how much do you love me? 807 00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:20,490 Very much. 808 00:45:23,090 --> 00:45:24,170 Very, very much.